John Davis

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  California Elder Arrested

  by James Jack in

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  2. scandals

  crime.

  daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

  there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .

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  John Davis

  I don't think anyone can think that any organization, religious or secular, will be able to have no instances of this type ever within their ranks. People join organizations with their own flaws and issues and will hide those qualities at all cost. Even this man if you take out that he is an elder, he worked for a police department as a POST credentialed dispatcher, to get hired into that position he would have had to go through a full background check and polygraph exam. He also worked with people whose job it is to investigate crimes and they didn't recognize it. Some people are just really good at hiding who they really are.

  So it isn't that organizations can stop people from committing these horrible things but it is how the organizations respond to it and mitigate any further damage.
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  Big xJW scandal

  by Charlotte in

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  John Davis

  I believe that this is in reference to the accusations against John Cedars that he was involved in a case of molestation with a 14-year-old girl. I don't know if it is true or not but that is what the OP is probably referring too.
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  Barred from entering kh

  by poopie in

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  2. friends

  a friend of mine called last night we will call him tom.

  he is df now for 2 yrs for associating with a a df person non relative.

  anyway he arrived at the meeting this week and was informed by 3 elders that he was no longer welcomed at the hall.apparently he was caught greeting someone in the parking lot after meeting.

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  John Davis

  Yes, they legally can do that. They will just have to revoke the implied invitation then the person would be trespassing on private property.
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  Update on the $4000 day fine - Padron v Watchtower

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  from reddit:.

  this was an oral argument to dismiss the $4000/day fine.

  both sides presented their arguments and now the judges will write an opinion (30 to 90 days).

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  John Davis

  I think that the appeals court will affirm in part but also reverse in part.

  I think that they will affirm portions of the daily sanctions fine probably the $2000 a day for not turning over the records. The court will probably see it as a contradiction from what was said in the Lopez appeal and what is being said now.

  I think that they will reverse the redaction sanction and will allow somewhere between what Zalkin wants and what Watchtower wants to be the amount of redaction. I think that the court will see that there are privacy concerns of the third parties. I think that the appeals court will use this opportunity to clarify what the court ruled in the Lopez appeals case when the court ruled that third-party identifiers can be redacted. Also because Zalkin argued at the trial court that the reason they are needing the files is to look at numbers, redacted reports will still give them the same information.

  The part about Watchtower being a separate corporation from CCJW that one is a toss-up. Other courts have viewed them as different corporations and cannot be responsible for the other's actions. This part will be the most interesting part.
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  Damon Wayans was apparently at 2017 Annual Meeting

  by Richard_I in

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  2. friends

  from this post on reddit.com/r/exjw, damon wayans was at the 2017 annual meeting.

  the wayans were raised as jw's but i don't think any of them stated.. strange to see him here.

  this is the same man who defended bill cosby from all the sex abuse allegations..

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  I used to see him at assemblies all the time actually pretty recently.
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  Can you sue a False Prophet

  by maccauk in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  its a serious question but we all know that thousands even millions have been misled, brainwashed or deluded into thinking the end of the world is coming by false teachers and prophets.

  many people gave up family, careers, time, enjoyment of life etc etc only to be disappointed time and time again.they are responsible for pain, suffering, and manipulation.

  this goes to many denominations.

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  John Davis

  Every country has there own laws and each country would have to be evaluated on its own. But let's take the USA.

  You would have to get past the fact that it is established law that civil courts cannot intervene and determine if one's religious beliefs are right or wrong.

  But let's say that you do get a judgement against a denomination that meets your criteria you have to show damages. How are you going to prove that you would have gotten a better job if you weren't part of that religion or didn't listen to that religious leader. You would have to be able to show that you would have had the skills to get it, that you would have been successful in that field and that you would have had the opportunity to work in the field. Even now when someone successfully sues for let's say wrongful death the person's current job and set of skills come into play when determining damages. You can't claim that a night watchmen potential earnings would have been equal to the CEO of

  But let's say that you do get a judgement against a denomination that meets your criteria you have to show damages. How are you going to prove that you would have gotten a better job if you weren't part of that religion or didn't listen to that religious leader? You would have to be able to show that you would have had the skills to get it, that you would have been successful in that field and that you would have had the opportunity to work in the field. Even now when someone successfully sues for let's say wrongful death the person's current job and set of skills come into play when determining damages. You can't claim that a night watchmen potential earnings would have been equal to the CEO of Google because they aren't in the same category of potential earnings.

  Remember that civil courts are supposed to be there to make you whole, not for it to be a windfall for the plaintiff.
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  Instructions For Merging Congregations

  by wifibandit in

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  2. beliefs

  instructions for merging congregations s-67-e 9/17.

  it appears this replaces instructions for dissolving congregations s-67a-e 11/11..

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  John Davis

  Demographics are constantly changing now. It used to be that if you were born in one particular area even within the same country, it was rare for you to move. Now people move due to economic reasons all the time not to mention other reasons. It has to be looked at from the bigger picture.
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  Explain the annual meeting please

  by carla in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can someone please explain the annual meeting to me?

  it takes place tomorrow from what i gather.

  does this mean they still do fs in the morning?

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  John Davis

  There are about 300 voting members of the corporation. Each voting member serves for a term, if I remember correctly, of 5 years. The voting members will vote in directors of their respective corporations to serve for another term. If there are any voting members who are up in their term they will either vote that person in again as a voting member or they will replace that member.

  I am not sure if they still do it but they used to inform the audience of who was elected to be voting members or was re-elected as a voting member.
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  All Donations Received @ KH During Annual Meeting Must Be Sent To The Branch

  by thedepressedsoul in

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  2. beliefs

  i just got word that in all congregations where the annual meeting is being streamed, any donations received that day, even if put in the box for the local hall must be sent to the branch immediately.. there will be an announcement made before the program starts for this arrangement.

  so the extra electric needed that day, heat/ac that the congregation has to pay for does not matter.

  all money donated that day has to go to the branch..

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  John Davis

  The October 2, 2017 Letter:

  

  It does actually make sense because congregations may not be assigned to their kingdom halls for the viewings and it is not a congregation meeting it is a branch event.
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  All Donations Received @ KH During Annual Meeting Must Be Sent To The Branch

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just got word that in all congregations where the annual meeting is being streamed, any donations received that day, even if put in the box for the local hall must be sent to the branch immediately.. there will be an announcement made before the program starts for this arrangement.

  so the extra electric needed that day, heat/ac that the congregation has to pay for does not matter.

  all money donated that day has to go to the branch..

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  John Davis

  It is actually not all the money. An estimate of the use of utilities would be taken out of the donations and be used for those needs. The rest go back to the branch.